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	<title>Comments on: Urban Vancouver Stole My Blog</title>
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	<description>Buzz Bishop takes a look at new technology and trends.</description>
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		<title>By: Are Bloggers Merely Cheerleaders? &#124; cyberbuzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Bloggers Merely Cheerleaders? &#124; cyberbuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not news, I was on about this last summer as well:  Actually, it might not be the bloggers they’re getting over on, it’s more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not news, I was on about this last summer as well:  Actually, it might not be the bloggers they’re getting over on, it’s more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggers Are New, But Are They Media? &#124; cyberbuzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloggers Are New, But Are They Media? &#124; cyberbuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some bloggers, notably in Vancouver, openly admit to this sort of gaming of the system. Boris Mann of Urban Vancouver has defended his site&#8217;s scraping and republishing of content by saying it was a means to help bloggers gain access to events.  “Many people benefit from the ability of UV to help generate “press” credentials, for everything from music awards to the Olympics,” he said. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some bloggers, notably in Vancouver, openly admit to this sort of gaming of the system. Boris Mann of Urban Vancouver has defended his site&#8217;s scraping and republishing of content by saying it was a means to help bloggers gain access to events.  “Many people benefit from the ability of UV to help generate “press” credentials, for everything from music awards to the Olympics,” he said. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Lau</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Lau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz, if you really want to prevent this sort of things from happening, I&#039;m doing some research on copyright law in regard to bloggers.  I&#039;ll probably bring it up with everyone at Dot Com Pho in a few weeks.  

I know our blogs get scraped.  Mine does sometimes.  Michael&#039;s does too...and John is scraped by several scraper blogs.  I&#039;m looking into what we can do about it...since I find it annoying that someone takes our content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz, if you really want to prevent this sort of things from happening, I&#8217;m doing some research on copyright law in regard to bloggers.  I&#8217;ll probably bring it up with everyone at Dot Com Pho in a few weeks.  </p>
<p>I know our blogs get scraped.  Mine does sometimes.  Michael&#8217;s does too&#8230;and John is scraped by several scraper blogs.  I&#8217;m looking into what we can do about it&#8230;since I find it annoying that someone takes our content.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to stand up for your stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to stand up for your stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will leave the post up here so the comments and thoughts are on the record.

I just got off the phone with Kris from Bryght/Raincity.  He&#039;s a passionate guy about building and sharing and collaborating.  Those in the community buy in to that process as well.

We had a great chat, and I&#039;m sure the work that&#039;s done by UV was with the best of intentions.  

I, and others, kinda just wanna be asked before our stuff is fully republished.

And that&#039;s that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will leave the post up here so the comments and thoughts are on the record.</p>
<p>I just got off the phone with Kris from Bryght/Raincity.  He&#8217;s a passionate guy about building and sharing and collaborating.  Those in the community buy in to that process as well.</p>
<p>We had a great chat, and I&#8217;m sure the work that&#8217;s done by UV was with the best of intentions.  </p>
<p>I, and others, kinda just wanna be asked before our stuff is fully republished.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s that.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jordan thanks for the comment. 

i agree my tone has been less than cordial, that can happen when you&#039;re trying to have a problem solved, and those who created the problem refuse to acknowledge the problem.

i stand by my impression of the phone conversation, i appreciate others have a different impression for knowing the man personally, i&#039;m speaking to a 2 min conversation i had where my request was treated as frivolous and my opinion of the situation deemed ignorant.

THAT is what elevated my temper. the simple fact that there has been no admission of inappropriateness and that those who make the requests for removal are somehow ignorant to the system and a burden on their day.

it can be very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jordan thanks for the comment. </p>
<p>i agree my tone has been less than cordial, that can happen when you&#8217;re trying to have a problem solved, and those who created the problem refuse to acknowledge the problem.</p>
<p>i stand by my impression of the phone conversation, i appreciate others have a different impression for knowing the man personally, i&#8217;m speaking to a 2 min conversation i had where my request was treated as frivolous and my opinion of the situation deemed ignorant.</p>
<p>THAT is what elevated my temper. the simple fact that there has been no admission of inappropriateness and that those who make the requests for removal are somehow ignorant to the system and a burden on their day.</p>
<p>it can be very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing .. buzzbishop.com/blog was also being scraped by UV. right on the front page of buzzbishop.com there is a notice:

&quot;all site content copyright cyberbuzz media. no unauthorized use permitted.&quot;

authorization guys.. that&#039;s what you need AUTHORIZATION</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing .. buzzbishop.com/blog was also being scraped by UV. right on the front page of buzzbishop.com there is a notice:</p>
<p>&#8220;all site content copyright cyberbuzz media. no unauthorized use permitted.&#8221;</p>
<p>authorization guys.. that&#8217;s what you need AUTHORIZATION</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am okay with the fact that Urban Vancouver aggregates my site content. 

I was very careful to set up my Creative Commons license in this way, so that other sites could use my content in exchange for full attribution with link. When the site linking to me outranks mine, and my words and pictures are exposed to that bigger audience (not to mention the SEO boost from the link), I consider it a win.

In this regard, I am not alone. It has become commonplace to license content in this way, and Richard is guilty of having missed the variation in Buzz&#039;s license. It&#039;s likely that this has happened more than once, but never with any malicious intent, I&#039;m sure. 

Buzz, I almost understand why you prefer to stunt the growth of your blog by remaining a human gatekeeper of the use of your content, and it&#039;s easy to see how you could be so incensed by the misuse of your content, in violation of your license. But your tone throughout has been less than gallant. You could have handled this calmly and actually educated a lot of folks on fair use and started a lively debate. 

But you dared to imply that Roland was anything but a gentleman, and I here I am on the record in his defense. While I wasn&#039;t there, I&#039;d bet my hat that his chuckle was meant to try to disarm you in his almost trademarked jovial way, and you misinterpreted it through your seething rage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am okay with the fact that Urban Vancouver aggregates my site content. </p>
<p>I was very careful to set up my Creative Commons license in this way, so that other sites could use my content in exchange for full attribution with link. When the site linking to me outranks mine, and my words and pictures are exposed to that bigger audience (not to mention the SEO boost from the link), I consider it a win.</p>
<p>In this regard, I am not alone. It has become commonplace to license content in this way, and Richard is guilty of having missed the variation in Buzz&#8217;s license. It&#8217;s likely that this has happened more than once, but never with any malicious intent, I&#8217;m sure. </p>
<p>Buzz, I almost understand why you prefer to stunt the growth of your blog by remaining a human gatekeeper of the use of your content, and it&#8217;s easy to see how you could be so incensed by the misuse of your content, in violation of your license. But your tone throughout has been less than gallant. You could have handled this calmly and actually educated a lot of folks on fair use and started a lively debate. </p>
<p>But you dared to imply that Roland was anything but a gentleman, and I here I am on the record in his defense. While I wasn&#8217;t there, I&#8217;d bet my hat that his chuckle was meant to try to disarm you in his almost trademarked jovial way, and you misinterpreted it through your seething rage.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.cyberbuzz.com/2008/08/18/urban-vancouver-stole-my-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@duane thanks so much for weighing in. i agree with it all.

my main issue has been, and will remain, the negative option they use for the content. the refusal to properly explain their actions, or explain why they act without permission is what frustrated me to no end yesterday and continues to bother me today.

they may provide a useful and valuable service for those who need seo help, but they shouldnt plunder through the feeds of every blogger in the city and repost the content at their own whim.

hell, even the spambot comment pages and link farms i see still only excerpt content when they scrape it.  

the full scale reposting of entire blog entries including art and images without permission is the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@duane thanks so much for weighing in. i agree with it all.</p>
<p>my main issue has been, and will remain, the negative option they use for the content. the refusal to properly explain their actions, or explain why they act without permission is what frustrated me to no end yesterday and continues to bother me today.</p>
<p>they may provide a useful and valuable service for those who need seo help, but they shouldnt plunder through the feeds of every blogger in the city and repost the content at their own whim.</p>
<p>hell, even the spambot comment pages and link farms i see still only excerpt content when they scrape it.  </p>
<p>the full scale reposting of entire blog entries including art and images without permission is the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Storey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Storey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a small part of some of the discussions yesterday, mainly because this is an area (especially with regards to photography) that I have a vested interested in.  I&#039;ll also go on the record and state that the guys at Urban Vancouver have helped me get into a few high profile events based on the traffic of Urban Vancouver, which was much appreciated.  That said, I was always under the impression that all the content on UV was opt-in, not opt-out.  But given what i know about Boris, Roland and everyone else involved, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything malicious or devious going on (at least with regards to intention).  But, I think in in the future the perception might be better if it is moved to opt-in, or as you suggested, sending a polite notice to someone when their blog is included.  Just my 0.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a small part of some of the discussions yesterday, mainly because this is an area (especially with regards to photography) that I have a vested interested in.  I&#8217;ll also go on the record and state that the guys at Urban Vancouver have helped me get into a few high profile events based on the traffic of Urban Vancouver, which was much appreciated.  That said, I was always under the impression that all the content on UV was opt-in, not opt-out.  But given what i know about Boris, Roland and everyone else involved, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything malicious or devious going on (at least with regards to intention).  But, I think in in the future the perception might be better if it is moved to opt-in, or as you suggested, sending a polite notice to someone when their blog is included.  Just my 0.02.</p>
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